Tony Abbott is scared of gay people?

Maybe I need to rename this blog News with Nipples and Tony Abbott…

Tony Abbott on ABC: There is no doubt that (homosexuality) challenges, if you like, orthodox notions of the right order of things… I probably feel a bit threatened, as so many people do. It’s a fact of life.

His explanation for his comment afterwards? It was “spontaneous”. Which means it’s what he really thinks, as opposed to what he’s been told to say.

I love the response by gay rights campaigner Gary Burns: Why is he using such dangerous words? How could he feel threatened? You know what I’m frightened by? Funnel-web spiders and crocodiles.

56 responses to “Tony Abbott is scared of gay people?

  1. Hmm… my reponse, to paraphrase Tony is:

    “There is no doubt that (Tony Abbott) challenges, if you like, orthodox notions of the right order of things… I probably feel a bit threatened, as many women and/or non white anglo middle class people do. It’s a fact of life.”

    mind you he intends to collect that female voting percentage by championing paid parental leave. . . very interesting.

    • Oh, there are so many things wrong with his proposal. Does he really think I’m going to vote for him because of one policy that hasn’t even been thought through properly?

      For starters, check out Peter Hartcher’s comment in the SMH:

      Let’s start with the good points about Tony Abbott’s policy on maternity leave, because there are only two and it won’t take long to cover them.

      First, Australia now has a bipartisan consensus that all women should be entitled to paid maternity leave. Hallelujah.

      Second, Abbott has stopped announcing multibillion-dollar unfunded promises. Hooray.

    • Perhaps because he wants women in the home for longer, where they should be. Maybe it is the hope that these women will then ‘forget’ how to do their jobs and have to stay home!

  2. Again at least he says what he thinks unlike his opponent who says what hours of focus grouping tell him he should say. Sure disagree with his view (I do) but at least admire his honesty. On a point of order surely you don’t propose we should look to the SMH for bipartisan assessments of the conservative side of politics? As far as fair journalism goes it’s a step higher than the ABC.

    • You know, I don’t admire his honesty because I don’t really believe it. I think he’s going for the scattergun approach – just shoot your mouth off about everything and something will stick. The majority of the population doesn’t give a shit about politics, so when it comes to an election they think ‘yeah, I don’t like gays either, so I’ll vote for Abbott’.

      And to talk about being “threatened” by gay men, well, not only is that stupid, but it’s divisive. Besides, why is someone else’s sexuality a threat to your own? Is he scared he’ll “turn” when he sees half-naked men (hello surf club). That he’ll catch gayness?

    • I don’t understand when people say “at least admire their honesty”. I don’t admire the honesty of white supremacists, paedophiles, wife beaters or homophobes (I am not saying Tony Abbott is any or all of these things). Just because they are honest about their behaviour doesn’t make it any more acceptable.

      And yes, i think there are definitely people out there who would vote for someone because they don’t like gays either. I am pretty sure that in the last US election, there were people who didn’t vote for Obama solely because he was black.

      • I think when people say they admire Abbott’s honesty, what they really mean is “I admire him for saying what I’m too scared to say, because the political correctness brigade will jump down my throat about me being racist/sexist/homophobic when really, I’m just saying what everyone’s thinking”.

  3. Is there actually someone who votes for someone because they don’t like gays? Anyway he can’t be too scared of homosexuals as when I was in the YL’s I can assure you that there are plenty of them within the party, indeed a good friend who was until recently a Mayor is gay as are two other Liberal councilors. In any case I’ll never convince you to vote conservative so I’m not trying. On the other hand if Ms Gillard (although her voice hurts my ears) were to depose Dear Leader I may vote for Labor at the next election.

    • Ha, too funny! By the way, which part of your name does “former” refer to – the young bit, or the Liberal bit?

      • Both although technically I could be former younger Labor as my family was heavily involved with the party when I was young. I just lost faith after the Keating debacle and over time wound up in the YL’s. Frankly the YL’s especially is a terrible collective of self interested arseholes and nutcases.

  4. For those of you who haven’t had the pleasure of reading all about it, Tony’s daughter, 18, has come out and called him a “gay, lame, churchy loser”. Hope it makes your day too.
    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/abbott-ok-being-a-lame-gay-churchy-loser/story-e6frf7l6-1225766944814

  5. And calling someone gay as an insult is disgusting.

  6. Check out the article on Tony Abbott in last months The Monthly – it talks about his time in the seminary and how freaked out he was about how much open homosexuality there was there……maybe this is the source of his bizarre fear.

    • Nah, am boycotting it after the Louis Nowra bullshit.

      • his article on Germaine Greer was scathing, quite an interesting read and lets face it she has said some curious things in her time s well as hit the nail on the head many, many other times…but its interesting to read about the seminal feminist being called a misogynist.

        • I refuse to read it because he had a rant about what Greer looks like, which means a) he’s completely missed the point of everything she said, and b) we’ve still got such a long way to go.

          I don’t always agree with everything Greer says, but I love that she says it.

          • Ah so Ms Greer can say anything she likes (including some things which are highly offensive) and you love that she says it, but the same does not apply to Mr Abbott. So are you anti catholic or sexist?

            • No, as mentioned elsewhere on this blog in response to a comment you made, I don’t agree with everything she says. But I’ll defend her right to say it. And yes, I’ll also defend Tony Abbott’s right to say what he wants. Even if I don’t agree. Particularly if I don’t agree. Because that’s the point of public discussion.

  7. I’m surprised that someone so “butch” as Budgie Smugglers would feel threatened by the mere presence of a gay man, unless of course Budgie might be worried about springing a little woodie and thus revealing his latent tendencies…

    🙂

  8. It’s a pleasure! Gald to be of assistance! 🙂

  9. I mean “glad” of course… 🙄

  10. I’m scared of politicians in budgie smugglers. And the giant clowns. At least the latter doesn’t actually try to be taken seriously…

    • Nor does everything said by clowns make front page news. Sadly.

      • I’ve legally been able to vote for 12 years but I am trying to remember a time during that period where there has been less choice politically on both a state and federal level. When the Opposition Leader unashamedly tries to push faith and beliefs on public policy on a daily basis it’s time for him to go. But who (or what) is the viable and smartest alternative for the short term direction of the nation?

        Note to self: write a scathing post about why religion and politics should never mix.

        • And there’s the problem – we think religion should be kept out of politics because we don’t have religious beliefs, but lots of people disagree. Or maybe it’s got nothing to do with religion and they just like Abbott because he “says what he thinks” and “doesn’t play political games”. But the joke’s on them because that’s exactly what he’s doing. He’s playing the same game they all do.

          A viable third party in Australia? Until Minchin and Abbott rolled Turnbull, there was momentum on the climate front, so the Greens may have ridden that wave. But we’re now back giving equal time to climate deniers. Sigh.

          Mind you, the Greens have the balance of power in Tasmania, so maybe they will become that third party soon… they just need to shake the “hippy fringe” image to appeal to more voters and get more power.

  11. My point wasn’t meant to be that people with religious beliefs should be kept out of politics – I may not have articulated it all that well though.

    What I was suggesting was that those charged with forming public policy should be doing so based on what is best for society as a whole. Australia is an incredibly diverse nation, and a lot of that diversity comes in the form of same sex relationships. Society is changing. People are becoming more conscious of this and are (generally) more accepting of the diversity. Shouldn’t our elected representatives accept this move in social morality and act accordingly?

    I don’t care if Tony Abbott is religious. I respect his faith. In the specific example of your post, I just question whether he is justified in essentially condoning homosexual relationships because the Bible says it shouldn’t be so.

    Before you jump on the wagon, yes, I am a huge advocate of free speech. It makes this country a fucking wonderful place to live. But the moralistic opinions of one shouldn’t take the place of the collective view of over 22 million, especially when the aforementioned moralist has been elected the represent the masses.

  12. I think something got lost there. I agree with you about religion and politics and free speech. I don’t care that Tony Abbott is religious. I do care, however, when his religious beliefs interfere with his role as elected representative. It’s why I have a problem with the conscious vote – that elected representatives can vote how they want, rather than making a decision based on what’s best for the people they’re supposed to represent. And maybe they do vote for what’s best, rather than what the party wants, but it just makes me a little uneasy because, frankly, I suspect that most politicians who never get in the news are a bunch of older white men whose wives were stay-at-home mums to raise the kids and who think every sperm is sacred.

    • The opinions and best interests of those they are elected to represent are only relevant, in my experience, when election time rolls around.

      • I wish that wasn’t true. But maybe the problem is us? We just vote and then that’s the end of our involvement. Maybe if we emailed our reps all the time, a) they’d get really annoyed, but b) they’d know what we want.

        • I think you have hit the nail on the head. It astounds me how many people berate the government of the day and give their soap box spiel about what a shit job the politicians are doing and that they will never, ever vote for them again. Come the next election and they vote exactly the same way. Are they surprised nothing changes? I don’t have a rational answer as to why they insist on doing it. Fear of change? Complacency? Perhaps it’s political ignorance?

  13. I don’t think it’s fear of change. I think it’s just fear.

    • I don’t think it’s fear or fear of change. I think it’s just laziness. Or boredom. Or just the feeling that nothing we say makes a difference because it’s all sorted out in the party machine.

      I was just saying to ManFriend that I’ve only emailed my federal and state members a couple of times between them, so how can they know how I feel about certain issues? And I consider myself to be politically engaged, so if that’s all I do, then no wonder I feel like my representatives don’t represent me.

      • look up 21st century town hall debates(meetings). There are some quite interesting experiments in civic participation happening at the mo, in Australia too. Also never discount what groups like ‘get up’ have achieved. civic participation is on the rise, even if it is only discussions amongst friends and on line blogs this is a definite increase in activism at all levels and all important. Of course writing to your MP is a good start, unfortunately it is bods like me who write their answers for them!

        • Personally, I think Getup is great. It really is the ultimate in ‘me’ politics, because you can choose the issues you want to have a say in and pretty much ignore the rest. But can Getup be a party? Do they even want to be? I read on the weekend that they have more members than all of the registered parties combined. Actually, now that I think about it, if Getup suddenly announced they were registering as a political party, all the others would collectively shit their pants. That’s a lot of shit.

          • well they were formed by disgruntled former party members. I think getup serves its purpose as an activist organisation, I dont think they should be a party themsleves. But I do think Australia needs a viable third option, maybe that can be the Greens but I doubt they can garner enough mainstream support, which is a shame.

  14. I assume you will be doing a post about the Tony Abbott Q&A appearance Kim (how could you resist) so I propose a friendly blog off on the subject. I was hoping to avoid a post on religion and politics for a few days, but it would be wrong not to comment.

    There is only one rule: the post can not include the phrase “What would Jesus do?” – it’s just too easy…

    • Pah, we all know Jesus would tow the boats back to Indonesia – making it someone else’s problem, which must smart when we’re the roomiest and wealthiest country in the region – reinstate temporary protection visas (which offer no certainty, cause depression and other mental health issues, are a barrier to employment so TPV holders require Centrelink assistance, and prevent family reunions so women and children then risk their lives with people smugglers) and wear dickstickers. Jesus loves dickstickers.

      I actually couldn’t bring myself to watch Q&A. There’s only so much Abbott I can stand and I was enjoying four days without him. Lexy watched it and sent me outraged text messages, so I’ll see if she wants to take part in your friendly blog off.

      • I haven’t watched all of it yet – it’s on my list of things to do when I get home this evening. Yes, my life is that boring…

  15. No your life is nor boring, I spent much of my lunch break in the newsagents wondering if I should invest $20 to buy the quarterly essay on conservatism by waleed Aly. That’s 25,000 words on the future of conservatism – mmm mm mmm. Ok I’ll have a think about blogging on TA but I don’t want to be a one trick pony who just rants about him cos I actually think he is fairly powerless…. I am more interested in the third party debate – I think Australia really needs a solid third option and I think the likes of Turnbull and other Tory wets could do this. shame he quit today – I’m no liberal (with a big or a small L) but I would rather see conservatism under his style than the neo – cons who just raise too much ugliness in discourse, especially in terms of social policy as well as their failed love affair with Milton Friedman.

    • Actually Lexy, you are a liberal. Small L of course. And incidentally, someone found News with Nipples the other day looking for “one trick pony tits”. I’m not sure if it’s my new favourite insult or my new favourite term of endearment.

      • OMG I am NOT!!!! blasphemy! I know my politics and I know exactly where I stand on the spectrum and I am not a liberal in the Australian political sense in any way shape or form, but I am ‘liberal’ in a poltical theory point of view.

    • I think there has to be a viable, staunch third major alternative. Without it, I honestly don’t believe we can get Australia where we need to be as a nation. Having the current two major parties alternating the hold of power and playing ping pong with policies isn’t working.

      The Greens (in their current format) will never receive enough votes to win an election – there is still too much ignorance as to what their ideologies and policy stances are about. The average voter, who has no interest in politics except at election time, still takes the view that The Greens are all hippies who smoke pot and hug trees. It’s a pity, because I personally think The Greens have a fantastic platform to work from to push toward being that third major alternative. But change is needed.

      • Doesn’t Fred Nile pop up every now and then and insist that Greens MPs are drug-tested?

        I think The Greens would make a great third major party, but it’s up to them to change that pot-smoking perception.

        • I insist that Fred Nile shuts the hell up and doesn’t voice his opinion, but no one listens to me.

          I’ve just finished today’s post on A Distorted View from Outside the Square – it’s on Bob Katter’s dream for a religious statue on Mount Bartle Frere. Let me know what you think. I have no doubt Lexy will – I just wish the other people who are viewing the blog would comment…

          • Ha, good luck with that! Waiting for the lurkers to comment, that is. I’ve even tried bribing them with David Tennant sex scenes. But telling all my readers you have a new post up is a pretty sneaky way of going about it. Don’t worry my friend, I’m onto you!

            • I thought it was a very subtle (and shameless) attempt at self promotion. As recompense, I will come up with a new testosterone fuelled neologism for “a man who dislikes women” – how’s that sound?

              David Tennant is definitely my favourite Doctor. Not sure if that would still be the case after seeing his dick.

              • You know, I don’t want to see him nude either. But the sex scene was from Blackpool, so no nudity, just singing.

                If you come up with that neologism (and I like it), I will use it and always give you credit for it.

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